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Cults, Culture & Coercion with Dr. Steve Hassan

Holy Disobedience: Sex, Sin, and Secrets in the Biggest Church No One Knows with Melissa Duge Spiers

Cults, Culture & Coercion with Dr. Steve Hassan

Dr. Steven Hassan

Self-improvement, Society & Culture, Education

4.7843 Ratings

🗓️ 6 April 2026

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

Melissa Duge Spiers was raised as a several generations Seventh-day Adventist. It wasn’t until years later, when she discovered information about her father, who had been both a youth pastor within the Adventist church and a Loma Linda-educated doctor, that Melissa would be called to deconstruct her entire relationship with the organization. “In my early middle age, I found out that my father, during his youth Co-founded by Ellen G. White, who claimed to possess the power of prophecy, the Seventh-day Adventist Church often emphasizes annihilationism (a belief in the Judgment Day) and the second coming of Christ. “Basically, it is at heart an end times cult still,” Melissa said, “It is severely high control in so many ways. And a lot of what they think makes them special, the true remnant, etc., is based on Ellen White, and it’s not biblical.” Melissa noted the strict focus on a “great fear of sex” in the Seventh-day Adventist Church’s founding. “That was one of the biggest control things, and purity culture, of course, is a control thing. But some of Ellen White’s first writings were admonitions for mothers on preventing masturbation in children, in babies, and I know that was sort of a Victorian obsession, you know, very puritanical,” she said. Melissa also noted the association with John Harvey Kellogg and the Battle Creek Sanitarium, which was founded by the Adventists. Of Kellogg, she related, “He was big into the health message, which, of course, Ellen White carried on. But his huge obsession was preventing sex and lust … He himself never had sex his entire life. He was married, but never had children, never consummated the marriage. He was even obsessed with preventing masturbation, or anything like lust itself was the big sin, and so you just had to shut that down no matter what.” She also noted his theories that a high fiber diet, like that found in Kellogg’s Corn Flakes, would supposedly help prevent sexual impulses. To this day, many Adventists choose vegetarian diets largely based on White’s visions of the proper way to eat. Once Melissa was able to reconcile some of her own trauma around finding out about her father’s past, she noted the patterns of abuse cover-ups within the church. “This is an organization that does this. They are practiced at this. This is what they do. And so, I started speaking out on social media,” she said. It’s at this point that more abuse victims began to contact her. “At first, I just started saying I was raised in this really weird religion, and people started talking to me, and my DMs would fill up every day. I was abused. I was abused. I was abused. And so, I started interviewing survivors, and I started telling their stories,” she said. After accumulating lists of survivors, she had helped start a mass tort lawsuit through the law group Pintas & Mullins. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome back to Cults, Culture and Coercion,

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where we examine how cults and coercive control impact the world around us.

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If you value these conversations, please subscribe to the channel,

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like this video, and share it.

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Your support helps us continue educating the public about manipulation and recovery.

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I'm Dr. Stephen Hassan, your host.

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And today I'm joined by Melissa Dugie Spires,

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an award-winning essayist, screenwriter, and outspoken advocate

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addressing religious abuse and resilience.

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Her memoir, Holy Disobedience, won the 2021 book pipeline on published nonfiction prize.

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And you can find her on TikTok and Instagram as the Glory Hole.

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That's W-H-O-L-E. She speaks candidly about religious trauma and her

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healing. And needless to say, we're talking about Seven Day Adventists in particular. And Melissa,

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welcome to the show. Thank you, Dr. Hassan.

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I am so happy to be here.

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Your bite model helped me really process in my first deconstructing of Adventism, so I am forever grateful.

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So tell my listeners your background, and let's get into it.

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All right.

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Well, I am a third or fourth generation.

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We're not quite sure.

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Adventist on both sides of my family.

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My great-grandparents on each side were kind of brought in by the classic missionary

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