This is such an important interview. I'm here outside Cafe Palestina in North London and I'm interviewing the brilliant Stephen Kapos.

He is a Holocaust survivor and he lived through the most horrific crime in human history and he's speaking out now about the

genocide in Gaza we're going to talk about his experiences at Holocaust we're

talking about Israel and Zionism and I'm going to talk about the here and now I think he's got a lot of very very important things to say and I think we're

going to learn a lot.

So Stephen, huge honesty to speak to you.

So here thank you for having me. Honours all mine honestly. I just want to start by

talking about your experiences. You were born in Budapest, capital of Hungary,

1937, really on the eve of obviously the cataclysm of World War II in the Holocaust.

Just to start with your memories and also what you know about your family in the run-up to the

horrors of the Holocaust.

Well, Hungary had a history of anti-Semitism

almost from the end of the First World War onwards.

And for example, my father, because of racist laws of numerous clauses, it was called had to do some of his medical

training in Prague because he was barred in Hungarian university.

So we had an autocratic right-wing regime

which fostered anti-Semitism,

but not in a violent manner and the situation got much worse

during the Second World War which reached Budapest and Hungary quite late in the war in

1944 when the Germans lost faith in the Hungarian, hesitant Hungarian ruler Horti, who started to have background negotiations about leaving the alliance with Hitler.

And therefore, they decided to invade Hungary, which happened in March 44.

And that stemmed as a critical date for the Jewish population

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