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We're preparing for a couple weeks of relative peace and quiet or whatever it is people go away for, but before we get there we have another holiday romcom to discuss.

Yes, today we're diving into the Nancy Myers classic, the holiday. And here to discuss this cozy cream cable knit cashmere sweater of a film with us is Rachel Hampton, a culture writer at slate and host of the I see why I'm I in case you missed it podcast.

Rachel, thank you for joining us.

Hi, thank you for having me. I'm so excited to be here. We are so excited to have you Rachel. We initially bonded over our dual love of the so bad it's good TV holiday movie, the spirit of Christmas.

So I knew that you would be just a perfect guest for this holiday love in series.

What is your relationship with holiday romcoms in general like have you always loved them to come to this adoration, you know in adulthood just tell us tell us about that.

Yeah, I would love to give my my entire backstory.

I feel like I always loved Christmas movies like the rank and best stop motion animated movies were some of my favorites I wash with my mom.

I feel like I came to a bit later in my like in college probably high school of college was really when I started watching like the home mark movies.

I started watching some of like the more well known ones I have never actually seen love actually like there are a lot of the classic ones that I just never actually watch.

One of my favorites is the last holiday and I will watch that one no matter what time of the year it is.

So it's it's kind of a it's honestly still kind of new I'm still watching a lot of the kind of standard fair in the holiday romcom cannon.

Yeah, I've never seen the last holidays so we all have our have our tragic gaps that we need to know it's probably a better movie than love actually.

I think when you're a kid like Christmas is about presence and Santa and the idea of it being about grown ups kissing is so weird then you just like hit a point where your hormones kick in and you're like no Christmas is all about kissing.

There's the goddamn missile show okay.

Yeah, it's true like the greatest gift I could possibly get as a man obviously.

It has underneath my Christmas tree straight men are notoriously always wonderful.

Uh-huh just I know it's great as a pair of socks.

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