This is it. We are running out of time to reach our goal of 2024 donors before the end of the year.

The money that you donate, the funds you're able to share are crucial to keeping our network running

and ensuring that you get to listen to normal gossip and all of the other fantastic shows on Radiotopia. I got to spend an evening

recently with Nate DeMayo, the host of the Memory Palace, which is a beautiful show that is also

part of Radiotopia. He was in my city promoting his new book, also called The Memory Palace,

and he started talking about Radiotopia.

It was the 90s and the late 90s and we were concerned, and it turns out for good reason,

we're not selling out, you know. I'm a member of Radiotopia in part because it's a collective of independent artists.

And like I learned in, you know, like 1996 that that was the way to be.

And to find a place that does that has been amazing.

I felt so proud to be a colleague of his and to be part of this collective that literally

puts its money where its mouth is when it comes to supporting independent creators.

I understand there is so much going on in the world right now.

It's a tough time for independent media and podcasts, for people who want to have control

over their intellectual property, over their business decisions, and over their creative

projects.

Radiotopia is a place where that's possible, but only with your help. This community of incredible creators wouldn't exist without listeners like you.

Every dollar counts and it really all adds up.

So whatever you're able to give will make a huge difference.

As a token of our gratitude, when you donate today, you'll also get access to the list of our favorite things, curated by us and all of the producers in the network.

I included something that I truly cannot live without. So head on over to Radiotopia.fm slash donate to donate today. Thank you so much. Hi, Rachel Hanson here. If you

missed last week's episode of normal gossip, please go back and listen because, spoiler alert, I have been

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