Hey all, welcome back to Made It Out. Today I am here with a queer media icon Tracy Gilcrest,

who you all know for her interview with Cynthia Arrivo and Ariana Grande on their press

junket for Wicked. She was holding space. She is Ms. Holding Space. And today I am holding space

for her. We're talking about her growing up,

being gay in the 80s, what it was like being gay during the AIDS crisis, and how it's all

kind of affected what her life is today. I'm just so excited. This is everything. I hope you enjoy it.

Okay.

Cheers.

Today I'm holding space for you.

I'm holding space for you, all of you.

I've been holding a lot of space lately.

I want to talk a little bit about that and like what this moment has been like and how it's kind of changed the course of your career.

I mean, I feel like you've been doing the work for a really long time.

I have, yeah. What does it feel like to be been doing the work for a really long time. I have, yeah.

What does it feel like to be so established and have such a viral moment?

It's surreal.

I really still can't wrap my head around it.

Like, at the Grammys, Taylor Swift held Cynthia Reevo's finger.

Like, that came from this interview.

I'm like, on some level, maybe she doesn't know my name, but on some level, Taylor Swift knows who I am. Yeah. Like that is weird to me.

She's one of the biggest best known people on the planet. That's very strange to me. And like I said, I've, I've been doing this for years. I did it.

It began in 1999 writing movie reviews for this tiny gay rag out of Hartford. It was called

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