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Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project

5-4

Prologue Projects

News Commentary, News, Government

4.63.2K Ratings

🗓️ 16 April 2024

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

Santa isn't the only one who keeps a naughty and nice list. And if your organization winds up on the United States' list of bad boys (designated terrorist organizations), you can forget about receiving legal representation or assistance from US-based firms. That's material support, according to this holding, even if that support doesn't contribute to terrorism in any way.


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0:00.0

We'll hear argument first this morning in case 08, 1498, Holder versus Humanitarian Law Project

0:07.2

and the cross-petition. Hey everyone. This is Leon from Prolog Projects. On this episode of 5 to 4,

0:17.0

Peter, Rianen, and Michael are talking about Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project.

0:23.0

This case was brought by the law project

0:25.0

to preemptively challenge a law that would make it illegal

0:28.0

to provide material support or resources

0:30.0

to groups of the US government classifies as terrorist organizations.

0:34.0

Sounds reasonable enough, but look a little closer and...

0:38.0

They've written the law so broadly that it criminalizes pure speech the core of what the First Amendment is designed to protect.

0:46.0

The result of the law is that lawyers cannot provide representation to organizations on the government's terrorism list,

0:52.0

even when the lawyers work is meant to push the group. to organizations on the government's terrorism list,

0:52.8

even when the lawyer's work is meant to push the groups

0:55.2

towards more peaceful and legal solutions.

0:58.0

This is 5-4, a podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks.

1:13.4

Welcome to 5-4, where we dissect and analyze the Supreme Court cases that have destroyed our civil rights, an eclipse destroying Donald Trump's retinas. I'm Peter I'm here with Michael. Hey everybody.

1:18.6

And Rianen. Hi not my retinas I'm different yeah I listen to medical science and

1:26.2

astronomical science as well yeah this is not based on anything but I do believe that he looked at this one too.

1:34.0

I believe that he looks at all of them.

1:35.8

We don't have the hard evidence.

1:37.2

We don't have the video at the White House of the President on the balcony staring up directly into the eclipse, but I believe in my heart that it did happen again.

1:46.2

My sincere belief is that he did it the first time, everyone made fun of him.

1:50.3

He did not have any adverse effects and that convinced him that in fact common

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