In our first two narrative episodes, we reached back over 100 years to find two partnerships,

separate from each other, but ultimately each forming one side of the world beneath.

The entrepreneurial partnership of Meyer Lansky and Lucky Luciano that organized the

criminal underworld and the marriage of Elizabeth and William Friedman who created the vision

and methodology for organizing intelligence agencies.

History matters, especially when we know it well enough to learn from it and apply it

to our current moment.

He provides a context that can be a shining beacon for us to navigate our darkest struggles.

So I knew exactly who I wanted to talk to, with this series, once I'd set down the first

two big pieces of its history to try and first apply it to our world today, my friend,

and fellow writer, Greg Olyar.

Yeah, so I got a little, I thought it was fascinating that tweet I did.

I know, the response, right?

Yeah, well, I mean, you texted me about it, so, but I was just like, dude, I've just sort

of like, I'm just sort of like setting some boundaries, right, because, and also I felt

like it was a reminder to everybody just, you know, stop attacking each other, because

I do think we're going into this new phase, right, of this narrative warfare where we've

got to focus on the GOP not getting away with all of this, you know, I mean, they installed

Donald, and now he's gone.

And so they're, they're sort of high-minded, the reigns of this thing, right?

They're all, they're all rising up to do things like passies, corrupt Georgia Bills and

can't really see where they're really going with it, but I don't think that it's chaotic

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