Well, welcome back to another episode of Five Minutes in Church History. Once again, we have Dr. Conrad and Bayway with us. Dr. and Bayway, it's nice to see you again.

Thanks, Steve. Glad to be here.

We were talking last week about Spurgeon's influence and how you see the relevance of what Spurgeon was trying to do in his day for your own work in the work there in Zambia.

We're well aware that not only has church history been made, but it is being made. So I'd love for you to just take a few moments and share with us what is God doing in Zambia and the church history that is being made there.

Yeah, there's no doubt about it that anyone who's involved in mythology will let this cut out of the bag that the Christian church is growing by lips and bounds on the African continent.

It's obviously a work of God's spirit. People are getting converted, beginning to get together in churches literally under every shrub and tree.

And that's something we're grateful to God for because elsewhere, especially in the Western world, there's a real struggle as far as growth and conversions are concerned.

So if anything, the next generation will definitely write about Africa is that there was an exponential growth in terms of numbers.

That ought to be good news, but we do have with the wheat a lot of tears that are now part of everything there.

And that's where it becomes a matter of good concern. Part of the difficulty is simply the fact that we don't have the availability of leadership training, pastoral training that is currently available in the Western world.

And so a lot of people are becoming church leaders and even pastors who are completely ignorant of real solid doctrine or truth.

Some of them don't even have a complete Bible in their hands.

Inevitably, you don't expect to get 5 kg or 5 pounds of truth out of a 1 pound container.

So we're having a lot of syncretism, for instance, being one of them, a lot of false teachings taking root within the context of the churches and so forth.

And that's an area of real concern and difficulty. One continues hoping and praying that the Christian church will, to some extent, at this catch-up with the demand of this growth, the way in which, for instance, Barnabas quickly went and got Paul's soul of Tassas then into Antioch.

And for about three years, they were involved in teaching and inducing that became the launching part of further outreach by the church.

I think it's something like that that is currently happening.

And we're really grateful especially for the, I'll use the phrase, the American church, because there are a lot of short-temmas coming through, doing work, some of them as long-term missionaries are simply coming in to do regular workshops and seminars for pastors and church leaders and so on.

We're still very much behind in terms of what's happening, but we're definitely grateful for the way history is being made in that sense.

And we hope it will result in a better day in the years to come.

And certainly, we would pray for the institution that you're heavily involved in, African Christian University and just the potential impact of training that generation in the things of God and theology and the impact that can potentially have on the church.

Yes, yes, we're grateful for what God has done in enabling us to begin this institution.

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