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We have a guest today who is thoroughly unknown to first things readers.

They've never seen his name before.

His name is Wilfred McLeigh.

Sometimes he goes by Bill McLean. Oh, no, no, wait, no, no. He actually was our 2021 Erasmus lecturer,

which was published in the magazine. Bill's went with us before to discuss a few things. He

often appears in the magazine. We're often happy to have him whenever we can.

His lecture on the Erasmus was called The Claims of Memory.

He is now a professor of history at Hillsdale College,

holding also the Victor Davis-Hansson chair of classical history

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