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Book a test drive on perjo.co.uk. Offer ends 30 of September 2025. Personal contract purchase, subject status and availability, T's and Z's 18 plus, excludes plug-in hybrids, Delantis Financial Services. Hello, I'm Dave Musgrove, editor of BBC History Magazine, and welcome to April's podcast. It seems like we only started doing this podcast the other day,

but actually history is running away from me. It was back in June last year that we launched our

first one. And you can still listen to all the other podcasts that we've done by going to our website,

which is www.bchistorymagine.com and clicking on the button that says podcast. While you're there, why not post on our forum and tell us what you'd like to hear on the podcast in the future. And you can also access back issues in the magazine via the website. But don't forget that our current issue featuring pieces on all the topics we're about to discuss is on sale right now in bookshops and news agents. Now, I'm delighted that we have three very big names in the world of history

gracing this month's podcast. Our first interviewee is Professor Lisa Jardine, who teaches

Renaissance Studies at Queen Mary University of London, and her latest book considers the relationship

between England and the Netherlands at the time of the glorious revolution in 1688. I caught up with

her in the august surroundings of the Library of the Royal Society in London to find out more about it.

The first thing I want to sort out is a bit of terminology. Now what we're going to be talking about is the relationship between two nations in the 17th century primary.

So should we be talking about England and Holland or Britain and the United Provinces?

What are we talking about?

Well, let's start with the easy one.

I decided to make it England because there is a whole other story to be told particularly about Scotland,

which I didn't have space to deal with.

Relations between the Netherlands and Scotland in this period are completely

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