I think that's really the message of his ministry that we're all going to experience those challenges.

For some it will be one thing, for others it'll be another thing thing but with a little bit of help from

those who love you and with the faith in good things to come this is the

gospel of happy endings right and it's of course hope centered in Jesus

Christ his talks over time so many are about a parable of Jesus. Why? Because he wanted students to study where

Jesus walked. I mean, that hope in Jesus Christ, I would hope would be one of the main things that

people would know about President Holland. This is John Ryan Jensen, editor of the Church News.

Welcome to the Church News podcast.

Today we're taking you on a journey of connection as we discuss news and events of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

When President Jeffrey R. Holland, president of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles for the Church

of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, died on December 27, 2025, his biography was already in the works.

After his health scare in 2023, President Holland reached out to church historian Matt Groh to help

capture his life story.

On this episode of the Church News podcast, Grow shares how working with President Holland during

their one-on-one conversations helped build his own testimony of the Savior Jesus Christ.

He's joined by guest host and fellow church leader biographer Sherry Dew,

Executive Vice President of the Desert Management Corp, and a former

member of the Relief Society General Presidency. Both highlight the late President

Holland's faith in Jesus Christ, his candor, his communication skills, and his unfailing hope.

Well, Matt, I've been looking forward to this conversation. In fact, let me admit that

I kind of elbowed some others out

of the way and said, gee, if we're going to interview Matt Groh about the topic that I'm going

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