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Brian Lehrer: A Daily Politics Podcast

Historian Heather Cox Richardson on Trump’s “Authoritarian Experiment”

Brian Lehrer: A Daily Politics Podcast

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4.4663 Ratings

🗓️ 19 March 2025

⏱️ 20 minutes

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Summary

With Trump squaring off against the federal court system, which has attempted to block some of his actions, we look at the state of the judiciary branch.

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0:00.0

From WNYC Studios.

0:06.9

I'm Brian Lehrer.

0:08.1

This is my daily politics podcast.

0:10.7

It's Wednesday, March 19th.

0:14.6

We're very happy to have it with us now, Boston College historian, and these days a very popular newsletter writer, Heather Cox Richardson.

0:22.6

Her newsletter is called Letters from an American.

0:25.2

She is also the author of many books, including her latest Democracy Awakening Notes on the State of America,

0:31.9

which came out in paperback just last October.

0:34.6

That book traces what Richardson calls Donald Trump's authoritarian experiment

0:38.8

back through American history. In her latest newsletter, Richardson focuses largely on the

0:45.2

battle for democracy taking place right now in the courts. One judge, as you probably heard in the news,

0:50.9

ordered Trump to stop deporting people based on the 1798 Alien Enemies

0:55.8

Act. That's supposed to apply only to times of actual war or actual invasion by another country.

1:02.7

Another declared Elon Musk's shutdown of USAID, likely unconstitutional, including for

1:09.0

Musk's unappointed role in it. And besides the rulings

1:12.9

themselves, she notes Trump's argument that the judge in the deportations case should be removed

1:19.8

from the case or even impeached. Now, Chief Justice John Roberts weighed in on that yesterday,

1:26.3

very rare, writing, quote, for more than two

1:29.1

centuries, it has been established that impeachment is not an appropriate response to

1:34.3

disagreement concerning a judicial decision. So how far is Trump taking us in this authoritarian

1:41.8

experiment, as Professor Richardson calls it, if you accept that framing.

1:46.6

An experiment where we're waiting to see if he ignores judicial rulings altogether, right?

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