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Thank you. Follow the link in the show notes to find out more. Right-wingers in America have a new obsession. People having babies. J.D. Vance in his first speech,

as Vice President said, I want more babies in the United

States of America, highlighting how important he thinks it is to encourage more people to have more

children. Elon Musk, another important figure in the Trump government, has a reported 14 children.

It's unclear if anyone knows what the exact number is, and he sparked outrage last year by telling

Taylor Swift,

I will give you a child in a tweet. This mindset all ties into a hard-to-define ideology called

pro-natalism, a movement pulled together by the loose notion that more people need to have more babies.

I'm Jacob Jarvis, and joining me to dive into this movement and how it ties into right-wing

politics is Carter Sherman, a reproductive health and justice reporter at Guardian US.

Carter, thank you so much for joining me today.

Thank you for having me.

Carter, how would you define pronatalism and what are some of the standard definitions that

we see bandied around for it?

Well, I'm really glad you're starting off with this question because I think there can be

a lot of confusion about what pronatalism actually is or means.

At its core, if you just look at the word, it means pro-birth.

It means believing that it is good for people to give birth to children.

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