America Sweet America

God don't shed his grace on thee shine a time.

Hello and welcome to another hindsight episode of Reflector.

I'm Andy Mills, and I'm here with Matt Bull.

Hello.

And joining us today is staff writer at New York Times Magazine, researcher at Yale Law School,

co-host of Slate's political Gab Fest, and one of our favorite reporters, Emily Bazelon.

Emily, thank you so much for doing this.

Hey, thanks for having me, and thanks for the nice compliment.

I aim to

flatter you because I am a fan of your work. Always wise at the beginning of an interview.

All right. So first off, what did you make of our romp through the history of stolen elections

and the evolution that we've been on? Do you think that we are in an entirely new place now?

Do you think, especially hearing our own troubles with faith in our elections

in the context of 1960 and 2000 and all these previous elections,

maybe this is just the same old song being played anew

and that it just feels maybe like the stakes are higher because we're

living through it. What are your general thoughts on it? Well, I'm always up for an historical

romp and I thought it was particularly valuable right now when to me the stakes do feel very

high and the concerns about stolen elections in the air and dispute feels very keyed up.

You know, one thing that's nice about history is you realize that the country has been through rounds of this and survived,

and the democracy gets bruised and battered, but it doesn't die.

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