Coming soon, on the Larry Arn Show, writer and novelist Jagozi Obiyama.

The reason I don't condemn you for crushing me is that the crushing requires also elevation.

You have to see something lovely.

I think, so I know you personally and marry you very much.

And I think that's what you're doing.

You can see the loveliness in the light of the dangers to it.

I mean, you have to. You have to see beauty.

You have to see the light in darkness.

And the light only is possible because darkness exists anyway, so if not, light has no meaning.

Don't miss the conversation between Jagozi Obiyama and Hillsdale College President Larry Arn.

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He's an Aggie like my wife, his doctorate from the University of Dallas.

He is a Benjamin Franklin expert.

He wrote the book Benjamin Franklin Natural Right and the Art of Virtue.

We're so pleased to welcome you.

And of course, we are joined by Dr. Larry Arn, President of Hillsdale College.

All things Hillsdale are included at Hillsdale.edu and the Hillsdale Dialogue once a week goes into a big subject

or an old subject and sometimes both and Benjamin Franklin is both welcome to you.

Dr. Slack, first time on the show, I'm so glad to have a Franklin expert.

Is he our most overlooked founder?

I think that people very much like Franklin.

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