On the new episode of the Larry Arn show, Hillsdale College President Larry Arn

sits down with theologian and CS Lewis scholar Michael Ward for a one-on-one

conversation. Isn't that too bad children's story ends tragically?

Well, it's a bold move. I agree to kill off literally every character

and destroy the world that you've just spent previous six books creating.

The amazing thing is that he manages to pull it off as well as he does.

Listen to this exclusive interview with Michael Ward right now, only available on the Larry Arne Show.

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podcast dot hillsdale dot edu. dot E.DU. 21 minutes after the hour America, it's Hugh Hewitt.

It may seem odd at the end of a week of such extraordinary violence and chaos and continuing climaxing drama to step back

twenty five hundred years but it actually isn't and as part of the Hillsdale dialogues I'm quite certain that my guest

Dr. Paul Ray who is the Charles O' Lee and Louise K. Lee chair in Western

Heritage and a professor of history at Hillsdale will explain that to us.

Professor Ray, welcome back. It's always a pleasure to talk to you and the first time on the

Hillsdale Dialogue Series with me.

Ah, okay, good, good, it's pleasure to be there.

Now, I read your essays on Thucydides to get ready for this, and I've been telling you

with Larry Arne about it, but do you find it odd to talk after the week of such extraordinary

violence about the week of such extraordinary violence about the destruction of the

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