On the new episode of the Larry Arn show,

Hilldale College President Larry Arn,

fits down with writer and novelist Chagosi Obiyama

for a one-on-one conversation.

The reason I don't condemn you for crushing me is that the crushing requires also elevation.

You have to see something lovely. I think, so I know you personally admire you very much, and I think that that's what you're doing.

You can see the loveliness in the light of the dangers to him. I mean you have to you have

to see beauty you have to see a light in darkness and and the light only is

possible because darkness exists in a way, so if not light has no meaning.

Listen to this exclusive interview with Chagosi Obiyama right now, only available on the Larry Arn show.

Find it on the Hillsdale College Podcast network at

podcast dot Hillsdale dot edu or wherever you get your audio and subscribe to receive new episodes delivered right to your device.

That's Podcast. Hillsdale.

Morning glory America, Bonjrahi Canada from inside of the Beltway.

It is the last radio hour of the week.

That means it is time for the Hillsdale Dialogue.

Once a week I go high or I go deep with Dr Larry Arn, president of Hilsdale College or one of his colleagues.

And we had been on a very well-defined path.

We are going to begin from prehistory and get ourselves up to the

present day. How did the West become the West? But history keeps intervening in

our conversation and this vacancy on the Supreme Court brought about by the passing of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg

obliges Dr. On and I to go to a rest stop at the

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