On the new episode of the Larry Arn show, Hillsdale College President Larry Arn

sits down with theologian and CS Lewis scholar Michael Ward for a one-on-one

conversation. Isn't that too bad children's story ends tragically?

Well, it's a bold move. I agree to kill off literally every character

and destroy the world that you've just spent previous six books creating.

The amazing thing is that he manages to pull it off as well as he does.

Listen to this exclusive interview with Michael Ward right now, only available on the Larry Arne Show.

Find it on the Hillsdale College Podcast Network at podcast

at podcast.hillsdale.

EDU or wherever you get your audio and

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podcast dot hillsdale dot edu. dot E.DU.

Morning glory and evening grace America. It's who you.

It's the last radio hour of the week.

That means it's time for our Hillsdale dialogue a conversation about the very best that the West is produced.

And what a great week to be talking again with Dr. Larry Arran, President of Hillsdale College and his colleague Professor Stephen Smith about Shakespeare

specifically about two plays about Kingley leadership in King Lear and

Macbeth and we do so after the President of the United States gives a big, big national address at the moment of crisis and when Americans are feeling much less safe than they did 13 years ago, 47% because of the leadership that they have or do not have, and welcome to you both.

Dr. Arne, I think I will begin with you.

What does it say about leadership generally that 13 years years after 9-11 47% of Americans feel less

safe that they did on that awful day? Well, there's a minor theme and that is free peoples are not busy governing all the time and so they lose interest in the thing not immediate.

But the second thing is, goodness gracious, have we ever been so badly led.

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