On the new episode of the Larry Arn Show, he'll still college president Larry Arn sits down

with historian and classicist Victor Davis Hanson for a one-on-one conversation.

One of the things I think we've got to do is go back to smaller government less regulation.

But to do that, you just can't say that. That means, okay, Victor, how do you do it?

Well, you have to elect the House and the Senate and the White House, and then you have to be

on the same page. That's very difficult to do. It's very rare when a party can do that,

but that's what the only solution, unless you believe that you can do it spiritually or culturally

or socially by changing the hearts and minds of people. Listen to this exclusive interview with

Victor Davis Hanson right now, only available on the Larry Arn Show. Find it on the Hillsdale College

Podcast Network at podcast.hillsdale.edu or wherever you get your audio, and subscribe to

receive new episodes delivered right to your device. That's podcast.hillsdale.edu.

Morning, Gloria America. Bulls are high. Canada, that music means it's the last radio hour of the

week. It's time for the Hillsdale Dialogue. This week with Dr. Larry Arn, President of Hillsdale

College, all things Hillsdale are found at hillsdale.edu. If you've been listening, we did four different

Hillsdale Dialogues on Tocqueville, who wrote in the 1830s. That brings us up to the career of a man,

I think it's just evil. Larry Arn will recognize his brilliance in some respect, but I just think

he threw America off course, John Calhoun. If you were listening on the 5th of July, you heard Joseph

Fellas talk about the cause and how at the end of the revolution, both Jefferson and Washington

thought slavery was headed for extinction, for withering away, for an entombment. If anyone

is responsible mostly for its resurrection, it's John Calhoun. Larry Arn, good morning. How are you?

I'm good. How are you doing? I'm good. I did have this interesting conversation with Professor

Joseph Ellison's new book, The Cause Could Have Written By You. A synthesis of political thought

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