On the new episode of the Larry Arn show, Hillsdale College President Larry Arn

sits down with theologian and CS Lewis scholar Michael Ward for a one-on-one

conversation. How do we explain and destroy ourselves as a species?

It's quite a difficult thing to achieve actually, because the Tao, the conscience is so deeply

embedded in all of us that even as we try to escape it we

we just find ourselves willy-nilly relying on certain aspects of it one or two shreds of the dow that we've retained.

Listen to this exclusive interview with Michael Ward right now,

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morning glory and evening grace America at shoe you and I'm feeling increasingly suspect

as I say that with a world of flame with Israel fighting

a war in Gaza and the plane went down yesterday in Ukraine. Nevertheless the

Hillstale dialogue is about that which indoors, not that which is no matter how terrible transitory.

And I'm joined today by Dr. Larry on President of Hillsdale College and his wonderful colleague

Dr Stephen Smith, who is the Temple Family Chair of English, 14 years bearing the yoke along with

Larry Arren up at Hillsdale College.

He is an amazing scholar of Thomas Moore. He's the author of a Thomas More source book,

for all seasons, the selective letters of Thomas More. We're going to talk about

Thomas More a lot today, but I thought I would begin by asking you both.

When the world looks like it's really on the edge

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