Coming soon on the Larry Arn Show, theologian and CS Lewis scholar Michael Ward.

Because I had these two great passions, English and theology, and I was praying in church saying, Dear Lord Lord show me which way I should go.

The voice of the Lord came to me saying go both ways.

You can ride two horses abreast and so it has turned down.

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Hillsdale College President Larry Arn.

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Happy 4th of July, America.

It's Hugh Hewitt on this Independence Day.

I'm joined by Dr. Larry Arne, President of Hillsdale College as we celebrate both the fourth and

Dr. Harry Jaff, a great student of the Declaration of Independence on the 4th of July, who for many years

I replayed his interview in the afternoon.

But we've moved to the mornings and Dr. Arne has moved to, Dr. Jaffa has moved to his reward in the last year and Dr.

Arne, his student agreed, spent a couple of hours grabbing some of the greatest hits of my conversation with Dr Joffer for more than a decade ago and on the Declaration of Independence on this 4th of July.

And Dr. Arne, I want to play for you.

I asked him whether or not Lincoln and Jefferson actually

meant it when they claimed that all men were created equal here's what he said cut

number nine the first place you have to be clear as to in what respect they held at all men are created equal.

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