On the new episode of the Larry Arn show,

Hilldale College President Larry Arn,

fits down with writer and novelist Chagosi Obiyama

for a one-on-one conversation.

The reason I don't condemn you for crushing me is that the crushing requires also elevation.

You have to see something lovely. I think, so I know you personally admire you very much, and I think that that's what you're doing.

You can see the loveliness in the light of the dangers to him. I mean you have to you have

to see beauty you have to see a light in darkness and and the light only is

possible because darkness exists in a way, so if not light has no meaning.

Listen to this exclusive interview with Chagosi Obiyama right now, only available on the Larry Arn show.

Find it on the Hillsdale College Podcast network at

podcast dot Hillsdale dot edu or wherever you get your audio and subscribe to receive new episodes delivered right to your device.

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