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Okay, this is an I'm feel rap special with me Garath Roberts.

I'm going to be speaking to Professor Phil Scraeton today.

The Hillsborough Campainer, the author of Hills were the truth and also a

professor of criminology at Queens University in Belfast. Phil you'll be a name that's that's

familiar to a lot of people but just

let's give you the introduction for those that your name isn't familiar to but

going all the way back to to the 15th of April 1989 you know you, you say, you're saying your book Hills with the truth about

that, you know, like a lot of us you were watching on television, I think there was snooker coverage on at the time,

and then all of a sudden that snooker coverage switches over and we see the sites that are also familiar now at Leppins Lane and a disaster unfold and I just wondered where really you know when you're watching when you're hearing the news

come in where was the point where you felt people were being wronged here and that

you wanted to get involved because you say that you weren't met people coming back from

Hills were and started speaking to them then start to getting those sort of

first person you know accounts of what had happened you know what made you sort of get up and go and do that really what was the

moment for you where you thought hang on this isn't right? Well I think it would go

back to the day itself. I mean, you know, when I, I've thought about this a lot.

This was only the second semi-final that I'd missed in many years and I was always there I always went to the games to try to get

tickets for finals as well and at that time was a season ticket holder and I guess not going to the game I was in

another part of the house and the son called me and he said dad you know come

down quick there's something going on in Sheffield.

And I said, what do you mean?

He said, it's the match.

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