recently Hillary Clinton let all of us know that what the world needs are more Christians

like her. Not the sort of Christians like my guest today. No, he's one of the bad Christians.

He's one of those ones that reads the Bible and doesn't selectively pick what he likes and exclude

what he doesn't. No, no, no. We need the sort of Christians that Hillary Clinton represents,

the sort of people that understand that empathy and compassion are what really matters here.

And that what Jesus was really about was love and acceptance and tolerance and nothing about righteousness and salvation or repentance of sins.

No, no, no. That's just stuff that evil mean people like my guest today added into the

Bible way after it was written. So here to defend himself and his horrible version of Christianity

where we actually read the Bible and interpret it hermeneutically is Dr. Pastor Joe Regney. How are you doing, sir? Good. Thanks for having me on. I guess it'd be great.

No, it is, it is my pleasure and even more so after I read, so Hillary Clinton did this, this article called Maga's War on Empathy.

And this crisis in Minneapolis reveals a deep moral rot at the heart of Trump's

movement. And if there's anybody that knows something about deep moral rot, it's Hillary Clinton.

Yes. And look, I will summarize the article. People can go read it for themselves over in the

Atlantic. But essentially what this really comes down to is Hillary Clinton has

decided that compassion is what Hillary Clinton says compassion is. And therefore, if you agree

with Hillary Clinton, then congratulations, you get to not only be a compassionate person,

you get to be a genuine Christian. But if you're the sort of person that Pastor Joe Regney,

or maybe Ali Beth Stuckey is, well, now you're one of the bad Christians. And I have to read your opening paragraph here. And then I'm going to let you, I'm going to let you run away with it. But you started out very respectfully, very respectfully, a response to Madam Secretary. When I first saw that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had called me an extremist pastor in the Atlantic, I immediately thought I should probably double my life insurance.

My next thought was, this should be fun to answer. After all, we have very different worldviews.

Probably the only two things we agree on is that, one,

empathy is central to our cultural divide, and two, Epstein didn't kill himself. So, again,

the premise of her article was that there's been this attack on empathy. She names you,

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