Welcome to Words Matter with Katie Barlow and Joe Lockhart.

Welcome to Words Matter, I'm Katie Barlow.

Our goal is to promote objective reality.

As a wise man once said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, not their own facts.

Have power and words have consequences.

Our guest today is a writer, lawyer, speaker, and an advocate.

Cassie Chambers grew up in Eastern Kentucky, graduated from Yale College, the Yale School

of Public Health, the London School of Economics and Harvard Law School, where she was president

of the Harvard Legal Aid Bureau, a student-run law firm that represents low-income clients.

Cassie received a scadden fellowship to return to Kentucky to do legal work with domestic

violence survivors in rural communities.

And in 2018, Cassie helped pass Genetz Law, which eliminated the requirement that domestic

violence survivors pay an incarcerated spouse's legal fees in order to get a divorce.

Her new book, Hill Women, Finding Family and a Way Forward in the Applitch in Mountains,

celebrates the amazingly resilient women in her family and the beloved mountain culture

that helped shape her. Cassie Chambers, welcome to Words Matter.

Thank you, thanks for having me.

So we've read a lot of books for this podcast, and I am fortunate to have the luxury to pick the ones

that I am interested in and topics of personal interest for me. So even with those high expectations,

your book greatly exceeded them.

Thank you.

It's an amazing book, and since it's a memoir, we want to start with you and a little bit of

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