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Woman's Hour

Hilary Grime on her daugher Phoebe, Catherine Lee on Section 28, Tidying up v mess

Woman's Hour

BBC

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness, Personal Journals

4.22.9K Ratings

🗓️ 30 January 2023

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

Hilary Grime’s daughter Phoebe, a student at Newcastle university, took her own life in June 2021. Hilary has since come together with other bereaved families to form the Learn Network with the aim of preventing future deaths of students by suicide. One of their first targets is to ask the government to legislate for a statutory duty of care for students in Higher Education. Hilary joins Nuala to talk about her daughter Phoebe and why she thinks it's so essential to get a statutory duty of care. Japan's decluttering and tidying expert Marie Kondo has admitted to 'kind of giving up' on tidying up after having her third child. Joining Nuala to discuss whether to ignore the mess or try to keep on top of it, comedian Helen Thorn, one half of the Scummy Mummies podcast. In her latest book, Crazy Old Ladies - The Story Of Hag Horror, Caroline Young explores the subgenre of horror movies in the 1950s and 1960s that cast iconic movie stars in often grotesque roles. She joins Nuala McGovern to explain hag horror or 'hagsploitation' and to discuss how actresses were treated in Hollywood as they got older. It’s 20 years in England since the repeal of section 28 – a law that came in from 1988 to 2003 to ban the ‘promotion of homosexuality’ in UK schools. Professor Catherine Lee of Anglia Ruskin University is a lesbian and taught in schools for every year of section 28. During that time she was a PE teacher in inner-city Liverpool before moving into special educational needs and pastoral leadership in rural Suffolk. So how did this law affect her other gay or lesbian teachers and her students who identified as lesbian or gay? Catherine has written a book Pretended: Schools and Section 28: Historical, Cultural and Personal.

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0:00.0

Hello, this is Nulam Agarvern and you're listening to the Woman's Hour podcast.

0:04.3

Welcome to the program. I hope you all had a good weekend.

0:07.9

Did you spend part of it tidying up?

0:10.0

And do you think that was a good use of your time?

0:13.2

Maybe you're at home and the remains of the weekend are currently scattered around you?

0:17.7

Well, can you ignore that mess and do something else that you really want to do instead?

0:22.5

I don't know, make a cup of tea? Really tune into Woman's Hour?

0:25.7

Or does that place need to be straightened up with Woman's Hour in the background?

0:29.9

Before you can even think straight.

0:32.1

Now I ask this because this morning we're seeing that Rikando,

0:35.4

that Dwayne of tidying up, has said that after her third child,

0:39.2

she's kind of given up on her own method to enjoy time with her family.

0:44.4

So what would you be doing if you could give cleaning up any mess arrest I want to hear?

0:50.0

The number is 84844 text charged at your standard message rate.

0:54.5

On social media, we're at BBC Woman's Hour.

0:57.2

Also, you can email us on our website and if that's not enough,

1:00.4

you can also WhatsApp messages or a voice note using the number 037001444.

1:08.0

Again, the text 84844.

1:10.5

Also, some of you will remember section 28,

1:13.4

which was introduced by the Conservative government in 1988.

1:17.9

And it remained in place until 2003.

1:21.2

Now, it was a law that stopped councils and also schools.

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