Well, I was down on my last dollar, then I started saving, because the bank said fiscal restraint is what you're craving.

So I put my earnings in a high yield account, let the savings compound and the interest mount.

I'm optimizing cash flow, putting debt in check now.

Time is my friend and now a pain in the neck.

And we've got a little cash to rebuild the old debt.

Boring money moves make kind of lame songs, but they sound pretty sweet to your wallet.

PNC Bank, brilliantly boring since 1865.

Hi there, I'm Lale Arakogoglu, and this is Women Who Travel.

Today, I'm talking with the podcast and author Kristen Mindsner.

Kristen is great at talking about pretty much everything.

Before we started recording, we were talking about all of the podcasts that you have hosted and you're like a Swiss army knife of podcasters,

from topics on health to movies to self-help. You touch on travel,

most relevantly. You came on this podcast a while back to talk about taking a Midwest road trip.

Yes. I remember you talking about a giant chair in Idaho. I think that's Casey, Illinois.

Oh, it was Casey, Illinois. I think so, yes, a town with large things.

Is there anything more American than the moniker of a town with large things?

I think that's it.

I think that that is the title for a town in America, yes.

Today you've chosen to talk about three different travel topics that all embrace history in really different ways, both domestic and afar.

There's a famous pilgrimage route that crosses into Italy.

There are the houses of the Gilded Age, which for anyone who's been watching the show will be very relevant.

And then the traditions of state fairs

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