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Everyone thinks they'd never join a cult.

But it happens all the time to people just like you.

And people just like us.

I'm Lola Blanc.

And I'm Megan Elizabeth.

We're the hosts of Trust Me, a podcast about cults, manipulation, and the psychology of belief.

Each week, we talk to fellow survivors, former believers, and experts to understand why people get pulled in and how they get out.

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As they're having this gun battle, thousands of feet up in the air, many of the bullets start to puncture the aircraft.

I thought we were going to die then.

Yeah. I thought we were going to die then. Welcome to The Knife. I'm Pasha Eden.

I'm Hannah Smith.

This week we speak with Jackie Flu, about a life-altering experience she had in 1985 when she survived a plane hijacking.

Jackie was a passenger on Egypt Air 648. Her story is empowering, but also terrifying, and Jackie goes into great detail about what she saw and experienced that day.

So please be aware of that and take care while listening.

Let's get into the interview.

I am Jackie Flug, and I am survivor of the Egypt Air 648 hijacking on November the 24th of 1985.

I was born and raised in the Houston area, Houston, Texas, and I went to college to become a teacher.

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