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Former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, as you know, travel the world under President Trump. We were able to interview him

before the Biden speech. We were supposed to do it after because Biden was so late, we had to

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So, Mr. Secretary, here's what I don't understand.

I'm a simple man, as you well know, okay?

That doesn't seem to be a lot of benefit for Putin here.

He doesn't have economic benefit taking this portion of Ukraine. He's going to cause himself and his

country a lot of economic pain, right? So cost benefit analysis. Why is the guy doing this? Do you have any

idea? So I think there's a couple reasons. One is this is part of his theory of the case

of the Greater Soviet Union, right? He wants to go back and have a buffer for his country.

I think he feels this personally. When I spent time with him, he would talk about greater

Russia and Russian history. We saw him explicate that a little bit. I guess it was yesterday

when he made his long speech. He feels aggrieved and he wants to vindicate that. So I think that's one piece.

Second, I think he sees a weak West. I think he sees a weak United States. I think he sees

Germany that is a supplicant because of the energy needs. And he thinks he can push and push and

push. So your point about the cost and benefit, I think he believes that the cost will end up ultimately

being something he can truly manage.

The upside, if you're Vladimir Putin, is that you get to create and sow chaos in the West.

You get to upset the apple cart in many ways.

He definitely wants to drive a wage between the NATO countries, but Germany this morning

came out and said Nordstrom 2, they're going to suspend certification now on it.

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