From WNYC Studios, I'm Brian Lehrer.

This is my daily politics podcast.

It's Thursday, March 14th.

After President Biden's State of the Union address last Thursday, he started on a campaign trip to four swing states, Georgia,

New Hampshire, Wisconsin, and Michigan. And he sat down for a rare one-on-one televised interview

with Jonathan Capehart, Washington Post associate editor and host of their podcasts, Capehart and

First Look, also a Saturday and Sunday MSNBC host

and weekly regular on the PBS News Hour in their Brooks and Cape Heart segment with David

Brooks from the New York Times. I don't know when Jonathan sleeps. He'll join us in a minute.

The exchange that has most broken out as newsworthy from that post-state of the Union MSNBC interview was this.

When Jonathan asked the president if he has any red line for U.S. support for Israel and Gaza.

What is your red line with Prime Minister Netanyahu?

Do you have a red line?

For instance, would invasion of Rafa, would you have urged him not to do?

Would that be a red line?

It is a red line, but I'm never going to leave Israel.

The defense of Israel is still critical.

So there's no red line, I'm going to cut off all weapons so

they don't have the Iron Dome to protect them. They don't have. But there's red lines that

if it crosses and they cannot have 30,000 more Palestinians dead as a consequence of going after.

President Biden with Jonathan Capehart on MSNBC last weekend.

Jonathan joins me now to talk about that and more.

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