coming up on this episode of The Roundtable. If your full-time students doing four courses are not

working 36 hours, you're not compliant with what universities have promised the U.S. Department of

Education. Now, nowhere is that the case. The average student for your full-time student works maybe

with classes 18 to 20 hours a week right now, which means

institutions almost across the board are committing fraud simply to keep their institutions

for being legally liable. Legislators ought to hold oversight. They ought to drag deans and

provost and chancellors up in front. They ought to have them

explain what do they know about how much work students are doing. They ought to show them the

documentation. They ought to show them the reporting on learning. This ought to be a scandal

that students are being allowed to slouch through with minimal time and effort while paying full freight tuition and mostly amusing themselves on their phone. The

The Welcome everyone to another special edition of the Claremont Institute's and the American Minds podcast.

We're calling the Cincinnati series where we are spending the next five, six weeks or so going through some policy ideas for

state legislators as they try to write the ship while the feds are going out of breakneck

speed as well.

I'm very happy to be joined by Rick Hess, a senior fellow and director of education policy

studies at the American Enterprise Institute and his colleague, Beth Akers, also a senior fellow and director of education policy studies at the American Enterprise

Institute and his colleague, Beth Akers, also a senior fellow at the American Enterprise

Institute, specializing in the economics of education policy, among other things.

And then my colleague is joining us again, Scott Yenner, our senior director for state

coalitions at our Center for the American

Way of Life and also a senior fellow at the Claremont Institute. And his day job is at

Boise State University. So don't hold it against him. We wanted to get into, this is part

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