When you are working with 9th and 10th graders, you're dealing with apathy and telling them the stories of how people lived heroic lives when everyone else walked away.

That shocks them out of complacency and apathy and into like, well, maybe heroism is actually possible.

Welcome everyone to Every Knees shall bow, your weekly Catholic podcast on evangelization.

I am Mike Gomer Gorman.

And I'm joined as always by Dave Slippery Slope Van Bickle.

How you doing, Dave?

Slippery Slope.

Well, now I feel bad because you made fun of the episode with Father Dave that I was like paid to do it. You mean what's funny is that like he said that that's so funny that you say that I guess

that's just me. That's just my life because I love it so much. But but but I, he didn't even want to like,

he didn't care what we talked about like he would have talked talks about anything. He hungers and thirsts for evangelization.

And I really encountered that with him when we were at that evangelization mastermind

that you hosted.

Yeah.

And he was there.

And he had that wonderful critique.

He's like, you know, so many people emphasize Catholic education.

And while we need Catholic education, we need to be evangelists who are spirit

filled. And I was like, yeah, I like that. I like that. Yeah. I like that a lot. So, yeah, no, it was

great. It was funny because just stuff related to work and anxiety and my inability to cope. I have

been waking up at like 2 o'clock in the morning every morning. Wow. Yeah. So I just for the day?

For the day. And so I got back from work at like 3.30 one day.

And I went right upstairs and I laid down and I was trying to fall asleep. And I put on that

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