There are people who walk around with symptoms of depression who are coping by functioning,

but they're struggling in silence.

Hi, everyone.

It's Rosie here.

Welcome back to Radio Headspace.

My guest today is Dr. Judith Joseph, psychiatrist, professor, and expert on high functioning

depression, a type of depression where everything seems normal on the outside,

but inside you're struggling deeply, which I think many of us can relate to. This is such an

important and timely conversation, and one I think you'll really enjoy. Dr. Judith, I am so

excited to be chatting with you today. I've been looking forward to this conversation

for a really, really long time. I've done some pretty extensive research on you and your

background and what you're doing. So thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you for having me.

I'm excited to speak with you as well. Well, I see that

you're wearing your lab coat. I'm going to assume you're at your office. Yes, I'm in my research

lab. I see a mixture of research patients and therapy patients throughout the day. It's really

interesting because one of the things that I've wanted to

talk to you about, I recently started, well, not recently, it's been a year in, I'm in the graduate

program for clinical psychology currently, and I am at this crossroads right now where I'm trying

to figure out exactly, like like where I want to go

from from here because I don't know that I am going to go the therapy route. I'm really

interested in the world of research and I know that part of what has led you to the path that

you're on now is is also that you have this drive and

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