In February 2024, the Hawaii Innocence Project engaged a man named Steve Kramer.

And let's just say, this guy is no joke.

I'm a former FBI attorney. I spent most of my career in law enforcement. In addition to being

an FBI attorney, I was a federal prosecutor as well as a deputy

DA. And I retired from the FBI in 2021 to start this company, Ndago Solutions, supplying genetic genealogy

to solve homicide cases, sexual assault cases, any type of violent crime cases. The one case that I did do that most people have heard about was a Golden State Killer.

So myself and Paul Holes organized a team, and in 2018 we identified the Golden State Killer,

who was one of the most prolific, uncaought serial killers in U.S. history.

And we all kind of laughed about, like, we were all very happy, high-fiving ourselves,

literally that we caught a serial killer.

Like, it was really awesome.

And we didn't realize that how we caught them was really the bigger story.

And it wasn't until, like, like a week later our phone started ringing and

we started getting calls from you know police agencies detectives not only all over the country but

all over the world like how did we do this can we do it can you show us out and that uh that all

the sudden started to dawn on us like wow wow, maybe we really have something here.

It's an amazing technique, and we say this all the time, and it sounds like an exaggeration.

It is not, but these days almost anybody can be identified through DNA.

You don't have to be in a database or anything like that, but if you leave DNA someplace, it's identifiable.

So that's the amazing part about it.

And, you know, we were told years ago by a very smart person

from one of the genealogy database companies, one of the scientists there,

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