Hidden Origins of Feminism: Socialists, Polygamists & Con Artists | Ash Wednesday with Rachel Wilson
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🗓️ 13 March 2026
⏱️ 73 minutes
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Rachel Wilson joins us today to discuss gender roles, growing up with brothers and her book, Occult Feminism: The Secret History of Women's Liberation. Despite women's studies and gender studies majors becoming more prevalent, the history of prominent feminists is surrounded by a facade while in reality, early feminists were frauds, hucksters and con artists. We discuss how we got here, the negative impacts of feminism and how we fix it.
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| 0:00.0 | See, to a man, I looked at the right camera. |
| 0:06.7 | Yeah. |
| 0:07.4 | So, Ash, this is one time where we change the set, and I don't have the microphone, though, where we change the set, and I always want to, that's usually my camera, but I'm looking at this camera, but this is not the camera you need to worry about. |
| 0:16.8 | Our guest today is one half of the Wilson's brother-sister act. It's a duo act. She was on Joe Rogan, and a lot of people watched, a lot of people tuned in, learned a lot about the history of feminism, rage for patriarchy on X, and her book, you have their occult feminism, the secret history. Oh, I was saying, where's your book? It's right there. Rachel Wilson, how are you? I'm good. How are you? Okay. Am I doing it right? No. You're getting close. All right. Look, I'll learn as we go. This is the first time, actually, we've had a woman on Ash, you asked me, like, do you usually have women? I just never really even thought of it this will make the feminist so mad mm-hmm she thinks she can just do stuff with the boys yeah like like Demi Moore in the 80s me what it picked me what a pick me yeah that's what they'll do but the truth is that did happen there were a bunch of a remember it was a big thing for models to smoke cigars and they're like like Christy Christy Brinkley and Demi Moore, like a GI-Jane. And she's like, I just love snuggling with the boy. I remember reading in a magazine, like a cigar magazine, said, what's your favorite cigar? She was like, I really like a torpedo. That's a shape. A torpedo is a shape of a cigar. It's not an actual brand. like it's just like this is a I don't know this is like a Churchill that's a shape a torpedo is a shape of a cigar it's not an actual brand like it's just like |
| 1:28.2 | a i don't know this is a uh i don't know this is like a churchill that's uh robusto just different sizes |
| 1:32.7 | they were like what kind of what's your favorite gun to carry and she was like i like a nine |
| 1:36.4 | millimeter yeah exactly yeah i like a nine millimeter i like a one that i'm all in my hand |
| 1:41.0 | you ever see gai jane that's a? That's a perfect way to start this off. |
| 1:45.8 | What a piece of shit that movie was. That came out when I was in high school. Oh. So yes. Did you believe it? Did you believe when she's like, she puts down her gun? I'm like, okay, with her own sergeant. No, I didn't believe it at all. And here's why. And I think this was a big benefit to me growing up. |
| 2:00.6 | I grew up out in the country on farms with boys. |
| 2:04.0 | I was a big benefit to me growing up I grew up out in |
| 2:01.4 | the country on farms with boys I was a tomboy myself and when you grow up in the creek |
| 2:08.1 | you know trying to catch crawfish with boys or they throw you in the shit pits in on the farm |
| 2:13.5 | on the dairy farm or whatever you try to go hunting with them and stuff that, you actually find out that you're very different from the boys and that you cannot do the same things the boys can do and the same way that the boys can do it. |
| 2:26.8 | Whereas I think if you're like a city girl and you grow up really insulated from that, you really think that you can like, you know, fight a six foot two ice agent in the streets of |
| 2:34.8 | Minneapolis. |
| 2:35.4 | You watch the ballerina and you're like, it does make just as much sense as John Wick. Basically. It's the same. But to be fair, I do think you'd probably fare better in the shit pits than I would because I don't even know what that means. Oh. Oh. Yes. On dairy farms, there's troughs that run behind all the cows and all of the waste liquid |
| 2:53.5 | and solid just runs down and it goes into a huge pit and then they suck it up and spray |
| 2:57.8 | it on the cornfields for fertilizer. |
| 3:00.1 | So you have these huge pits of just cow pee and poop that are just sitting there fermenting. |
| 3:06.1 | And some of my friends thought it would be a really fun, funny thing to do to pick me up and throw me in it. So that was good time. So it's like Carrie with shit. Yes. And it's aptly named. It's a little on the nose, but now you learn something new every time. And speaking of learning something new, here we have your book. And hopefully you've been selling a lot of copies since sitting down with Joe. It's been doing very well. I think we got, we cracked the top 50 in books overall on Amazon, which is kind of unheard of for a self-published book. Yeah. Isn't that kind of funny, too? You would think it'd be all self-published, but there still are a few kind of major |
| 3:41.5 | publishers that tend to dominate. Yeah. Most of the top 100 is all mainline published stuff, not self-published stuff on Amazon even, so. Well, let me... Pretty crazy. Let me get the generic stuff out of the way as far as... But I do think this is something... This sounds generic, but for people who are tuning in, like, I'm sure you run into this. |
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