All right. Hey, everybody. How are you? I have a friend of mine on with me. We're not going

to spend two hours on here or anything, but I want to introduce her to you. Now, Ginger,

if you just hold on, let me set this up. This is Ginger Winners. She's a friend of mine. I met

her probably six or eight months ago. And we were talking, she was working for a publisher.

And I had through another author that I knew that told him about us uploading audio books

and it was really working out great. And he took that to this publisher. They brought Ginger in as a kind

of start this thing up for them just to get it started. And she was in the meeting. And I was so

taken by her interest and enthusiasm about it. That's what I love about this. And so I

immediately connected with her. I could tell just by the look on her face that she was interested

in it. And then her and I worked together on their podcast. I actually recorded a book and it's

on the podcast. And she got really interested in this stuff. And so she's not with the publisher

anymore. She's got her own podcast. And it's called the Hidden Corners, right? Right. And I actually

got to collaborate with her on her six or seventh podcast that she's put up. It's on YouTube. And

it's going to be on all the podcast apps soon. And so I want you all to know her. I want you to know

about her channel. I want you to go listen to it's a I did a different thing for her that I normally

do with my channel. And I felt like I could do that kind of use her as a guinea pig if it was

horrible. Then she could just she could take the hit on it. But Ginger, I'm sorry to be so long

Wendy. But thanks and welcome. And I know every we have the nicest audience on the whole

internet. And I know they're going to be happy to meet you. So how are you?

Well, gosh, thank you. Thank you for first of all for having me on the podcast. But thank you so

much for all your health and assistance over the last several months. I feel like, you know,

meeting you was just a godsend for sure. And so starting this podcast was a big adventure.

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