What if it's not that there are physical beings that are looking for patterns they're trying to find?

What if we look at it from the perspective of the pattern?

Because my view of this platonic space is, or whatever space it is, that it has the things that we're used to, boring facts about triangles and prime numbers and things like that.

But it also has very, very much higher agency kind of patterns. Kinds of minds, I think are actually specific patterns in that. But it also has very, very much higher agency kind of patterns.

Kinds of minds, I think are actually specific patterns in that space. I think that these patterns

are trying in the way that a gas and a balloon is trying to get out into the physical space.

But the only way they can do that is through what Don Hoffman would call interfaces or what I call

pointers. So we build something.

That could be a physical triangle or it could be a xenobot or it could be a human embryo. And when we build these things,

exactly as you just said, you get more out than you put it. Because you're not actually creating any of these behavioral and anatomical features.

You are facilitating their appearance out of an ordered space.

Welcome back to the transmission, my friends.

What if there were whole systems in the body, whole realms of biology and science that we are

just beginning to understand?

Not only that, but that have direct massive philosophical implications about the nature

of reality and about consciousness. Well, for as far as we've come, that really does seem to be

the case. And if you're going to try to make sense of revelations of that gravity, you're going to

need a pretty deep philosophical well to draw from.

And that is where Dr. Matt Siegel comes in.

More on both Matt and Mike in just a second.

I must say, of all the brilliant folks who have been in the mind meld on this show,

there are some that stand out.

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