So walk me through the, is there a context prior to the mask reaction that you need to bring in as well?

Well, not necessarily.

I would say that in general, working in the healthcare field has always been a little bit of a stretch for me because I've always been aware of all of the side effects to pharmaceuticals.

And I've always felt like it's extremely one-sided

and that Western medicine in general just really doesn't allow for alternatives.

So you're like in the system but already disagreeing with so many aspects of the system.

That sounds like me when I was in the Army. Was it theing with so many aspects of the system. That sounds like me

when I was in the army. Was it the same with you, Lo? Yep. Okay. So how did you, let's back up then.

So how like what made you, were you, were you a nurse low or what, what were you? Yeah, I was a

wellness coach. And in a leadership role.

Wow.

Okay. And then so for you, Gail, you were a nurse though, right?

I was.

With Kaiser's healthcare system.

Okay, cool.

So had you had any issues with Kaiser prior to, for either of you, the whole COVID

trade of the last two and a half years.

I didn't have any particular problems with Kaiser. I actually felt that Kaiser was a really good

company to work for. I had really supportive managers. I had a lot of really good supportive

coworkers.

And in general, especially even though I worked med surge, so that's another part of this,

is that I worked.

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