So how did you like venture into the health and wellness space?

Like what tipped you off to, you know, all the craziness that is happening with the FDA,

the WHO, the CDC.

Yeah. So I had been, I think I had been working as a health writer for about, I guess it's been a

couple of years before the pandemic started. So, you know, a lot of my, a lot of my job entails reading clinical research.

Anytime I'm writing an article, I have to read through tons of studies and make sure I have,

you know, plenty of supporting evidence for whatever I'm saying or whatever the, you know,

the doctors and the experts I'm interviewing are saying.

And so I had been on that beat for a while

before COVID, before the COVID outbreak. And then, you know, something about the way that

the media was covering the pandemic just really raised a lot of red flags for me. And fortunately, I wasn't really being

given a lot of COVID-related assignments. So I was never in like an awkward situation where I had

to report on something that I didn't necessarily agree with. But I just felt like, you know,

I was really only seeing one angle on everything from, you know, the lockdowns and the masks and the vaccines.

And it just, it kind of resulted in this sort of awakening for me over the course of the pandemic.

And I thought, like, who's being the voice for these other people?

Being that my grandfather had worked in pharmaceuticals for my entire life, and he was kind of a father figure to me.

I just started doing a little research. I'm not really sure where it was going to lead.

And it really led me down this wild rabbit hole of investigations and interviews, that resulted in the in the piece that I

wrote about about pharma but um I mean it was really it was really long and I didn't even I didn't

even get to cover every aspect of it you know so that's what I thought is I was reading it. Yeah.

I mean, as I was writing it and it kept getting longer and longer, the more research I did.

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