Okay, we were just talking before this and Veda made a mistake. And she doesn't make many,

but the mistake that she made is she started going deep into a conversation.

And I felt myself getting pulled into that because what she has to share is so beautiful.

And we've actually, the very first conversation that we ever had was us three, the same three people that are here.

And that's why I specifically asked Devin if she

would co-host this episode with me. And that conversation, by the end of it, I had cried,

like deep emotional purging because of what Veda had shared. I'd also laughed hysterically

several times. I was in shared. I'd also laughed hysterically several times.

I was in awe.

I was also shocked.

I had feelings of wonder.

Like all of the emotions, right?

All of the feelings.

And we got to the end and I was like, damn.

Like I wish I recorded that right there.

Like it was, right, Devin?

Like was it not an incredible conversation? Well, and saying like she that Veda went deep I don't know that Veda has

another gear. I think the resonance of like the tone of her being like I literally the depth

that you speak from and the passion that you have for the work that you do, most people only touch a

couple times in their life. And I feel like you spend each day there. And so that's why I'm so

excited to jump into this conversation. I want to talk about all those things, but I also want to

talk about just your reverence and curiosity and wonderment for living life.

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