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In Our Time: History

Heroism

In Our Time: History

BBC

History

4.43.2K Ratings

🗓️ 6 May 2004

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

Melvyn Bragg and guests discuss what defines a hero and what place they had in classical society. On the fields of Troy a fallen soldier pleaded with Achilles, the great hero of the Greeks, to spare his life. According to Homer, Achilles replied, “Do you not see what a man I am, how huge, how splendid.And born of a great father and the mother who bore me immortal?Yet even I have also my death and strong destiny, And there shall be a dawn or an afternoon or a noontime,When some man in the fighting will take the life from me alsoEither with a spear cast or an arrow flown from the bow string”.With that, he killed him. Heroes have special attributes, but not necessarily humility or compassion. How did the Greeks define their heroes? What place did the hero have in classical society and what do modern ideas of heroism owe to the heroes of the golden age?With Angie Hobbs, Lecturer in Philosophy at the University of Warwick and author of Plato and the Hero: Courage, Manliness and the Impersonal Good; Anthony Grayling, Reader in Philosophy at Birkbeck College, University of London; Paul Cartledge, Professor of Greek History at the University of Cambridge.

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0:00.0

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0:05.4

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0:12.4

Hello on the fuels of Troy a fallen soldier pleaded with Achilles the great hero of all the Greeks to spare his life

0:19.6

According to Homer Achilles replied

0:22.4

Do you not see what a man I am how huge how splendid and born of a great father and the mother who bore me immortal

0:30.2

Yet even I have also my death and strong destiny and there shall be a dawn or an afternoon or a noon tide

0:36.9

When some man in the fighting will take the life from me also either with a spear cast or an aller or an arrow flown from the bow string

0:45.7

With that Achilles killed him

0:48.5

Heroes have special attributes, but not necessarily humility or compassion

0:52.7

How did the Greeks define their heroes what place did the hero have in classical society in Renaissance and in romantic times?

1:00.0

And what do the modern ideas of her as him owed to the heroes of the golden age with me to discuss her as him in Western culture is

1:07.8

Angie Hobbs lecture in philosophy at the University of Warwick an author of Plato and the hero AC Grayling

1:13.6

reading philosophy at Birkbeck College University of London and Paul Cartilage professor of Greek history at the University of Cambridge

1:20.7

Angie Hobbs nearly miss my first question there

1:24.0

Where does the word hero come from and when does the notion of the hero first appear?

1:29.2

Well, we first see it in Homer where the word hero

1:32.0

Sir applies to usually applies to warriors of great abilities which are of use to their communities

1:38.1

So they are usually men of extraordinary courage and strength and skill at fighting

1:44.2

It can also be applied to more generally to other characters such as Bards and Messengers even now after Homer

1:51.5

We start to see other layers of meaning

1:53.5

accruing to the this general word heros in Hesiod for instance

1:58.7

Heroes refer to a specific age

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