You're listening to Once, episode 176, Heroes and Villains, Initial Reactions.

Music Welcome back to another episode of Once, the unofficial podcast for ABC's TV show Once Upon a Time.

I'm Daniel J. Lewis.

I'm Jeremy Loughlin.

Thank you very much for joining us.

Pull up a chair, lie down, relax. We know you need some counseling right now. At least if you're a rum bell fan. Yeah, that, oh, that was painful to see. It was painful for all of us, but I sensed that there was a great disturbance in the

force, a great, a great sudden amount of weeping.

Yeah, I could feel it too.

It was a lot of painful goodbyes in this episode.

And these are just our initial reactions.

So we're going to be a bit all over the place. We'll have our upcoming full discussion.

And I'll tell you more about how you can send your feedback for that in a little bit.

But at first, we were both thinking it was a slow-ish episode. Well, yeah, about 40 minutes in, I looked at you and said something to that effect that not a whole lot had happened and they only had 20 minutes.

But the last bit was amazing, was really good. And I think some great twists. I like this way that they're turning things. It was in

this episode as Rumpel was about to cast the spell to cleave himself from the dagger.

Maybe we never have to hear that word again. I was thinking at that moment, oh, wait, I want him

to cleave himself from the dagger, yes.

But I just realized.

Only for plot's sake, of course.

That means killing hook.

And I don't want Hook to be killed.

It didn't necessarily mean killing Hook, but for a second, I thought he was actually going to.

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