You're listening to The Great Simplification with Nate Higgins.

That's me.

On this show, we try to explore and simplify what's happening with energy, the economy, the environment, and our society.

Together with scientists, experts, and leaders, this show is about understanding the

bird's eye view of how everything fits together, where we go from here and what we can

do about it as a society and as individuals.

Today's guest is my friend, an educational mentor, Herman Daly.

For many of my listeners, Herman will need no introduction.

He is an emeritus professor of economics at the University of Maryland, a former senior

economist at the World Bank, and one of the founders of the field of ecological economics.

Reading his book, Valuing the Earth, over 20 years ago, was one of

the key things that caused me to leave Wall Street and study natural resources in ecological

economics. Those who have been lucky enough to interact with Herman would probably all concur

that he brings wisdom and insight to a conversation, but he does it with a humility,

light, and grace that is becoming lost in the modern supernormal stimuli culture. Today, Herman and I

talk about the biophysical underpinnings of human economies and how a social system that is

more tethered to our ecological reality might come into being.

I hope you learn from and are inspired by my conversation with Herman Daly.

Hello, Herman.

Hello, Nate.

Good to see you again, sir.

It's a pleasure.

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