It was entering the lines then, I think, in a lot of regards.

I still felt a lot of support from the professional staff that come out of departments and agencies,

intelligence, community, state department, department and defense.

That field would probably have done, basically, taking the same actions I did,

honorable public servants, lifelong public servants.

But at the same time, that was a razor thin layer of directors.

Everybody else is basically political appointees.

And everything, every movement was being kind of modern.

That's not an exaggeration.

Hello and welcome to Wise This Happening With Me, your host, Chris Hayes.

If you've been following the news, which I'm my strong suspicion is that those of you who

listened to the podcast are probably pretty avid news consumers.

You know, we're learning more and more every day about the what what I've been

calling on the show. And I think justifiably the the coup, the failed coup by ex-President Donald Trump

to install himself in power over the wishes of the American people and spell the end to American

democracy in its current form. In Spanish, the term is out the Gordbe, which is like self-coup,

which is when a leader stays in power against the wishes of people as opposed to seizing power

in more traditional coups. But you know, whatever you call it, it was pretty clear.

It's very clear. He wasn't like a gag and it wasn't just a, you know, him fuming in the West

wing or in the Oval Office, like they tried very hard to overturn the American election and the will

of the, you know, 81 million voters that voted for Joe Biden over Donald Trump.

And put the loser in over the winner and have minority rule and a lord knows what would happen

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