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The Deep End With Lecrae

Her Pastor Was Secretly Dating Her Boyfriend

The Deep End With Lecrae

Lecrae

Religion & Spirituality

4.8602 Ratings

🗓️ 12 December 2025

⏱️ 86 minutes

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I'm sure you've never heard a story like this. Brenda Palmer doesn't do "church talk." She does honesty.

In this episode of The Deep End, Lecrae sits down with Brenda Palmer for a deep conversation on what it actually looks like to follow Jesus.

We talk about:

  • When her pastor had a affair… (with her boyfriend)
  • Singleness as "undivided" devotion—without treating marriage like the finish line
  • Staying pure
  • The Greek life / "denouncing" conversation, deliverance language, and where conviction ends and fear-mongeing begins
  • What Brenda's building next


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Transcript

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0:00.0

I was dating a guy. We were dating kind of guy serious and then I found out that he was like in a relationship with my pastor. Okay, hold on. I got to ask some questions. Your pastor is a woman? No, no, no, with the male pastor. Do you confront him? Mm-mm. I actually... Another thing that you've been vocal about is being virgin in your 30s. But I'm trying to figure out how you found that out because I'm not very vocal about that. Hey man, we do some digging.

0:23.4

We do some digging over here on the deep end. I think a lot of us abstain because we're like, okay, if I hold it down, God's going going to give me a man. Or he might not. That's right. And there's a sad reality that Jesus can return and I never get none. It's sad.

0:54.2

It is a sad reality. You are dumb. We didn't even talk about denouncing. I thought we were going to go down to. Oh, I didn't even think about that. That's a whole other... Do y'all want to? I'm with it. But if something is an environment that's conducive for sin, we kind of ask what the root of it is. Okay, so I hear your vantage point. I'm hardheaded in that. So this is what I would just make my statement on this.

1:01.4

This is the deep end with La Cray. What's going on everybody out there in the world? Listen, we're not

1:09.9

going to belabor the point. You know what I mean?

1:13.3

We keep having amazing people here and we're going to keep that ball rolling. Today, we have a very

1:21.9

interesting story. A young woman whose journey is, I'm learning more every day as I've sat and listened to her.

1:32.5

She's a brilliant communicator.

1:35.9

She's got a powerful story.

1:38.4

She knows her word and she's very spirit-led in terms of what it is that she feels like the Lord is called her to do.

1:47.2

And listen, some people find her challenging and some people say this is the challenge that they need, but none other than the Brenda Palmer.

2:00.5

You know what I mean?

2:01.3

What's happening?

2:02.3

What's up?

2:02.9

I said some people find you challenging.

2:05.3

I say, what an intro.

2:06.8

I will, you know, because I mean, some people are like, ooh, you know, you don't hold back in some senses.

2:13.0

You're very, like, straightforward.

2:14.8

And I'm, and I want to, before to before we get into like all of what makes you

2:20.3

you, well let's let's historically like you grew up a PK. And I think that's interesting because

2:27.1

you know, sometimes you see PKs turn out a little sideways. But but from what I, when you grew up as a PK, you felt like you didn't want to go into ministry.

2:39.5

For sure.

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