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What Next | Daily News and Analysis

Her Life’s Work Became a Scapegoat. Now What?

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

Slate Podcasts

News, News Commentary, Daily News

4.32.4K Ratings

🗓️ 5 May 2026

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

“Intersectionality” was one of those “DEI terms” that the Trump administration and Project 2025 were eager to do away with once they got back into power. But to understand what just happened to the Voting Rights Act, a little critical race theory would go a long way. 


Guest: Kimberlé Williams Crenshaw, civil rights advocate, co-founder and executive director of the African American Policy Forum (AAPF), law professor at UCLA and Columbia, and author of many books including Backtalker: An American Memoir.


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Podcast production by Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme, and Rob Gunther.


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Transcript

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0:00.0

Have you ever liked a book so much that you checked it out of the library and just never returned it?

0:12.9

I have. My book is called Faces at the Bottom of the Well. A guest actually recommended it.

0:18.7

And don't worry, I did eventually pay the library back.

0:22.8

It felt like the least I could do.

0:27.5

Derek Bell wrote Faces at the Bottom of the Well back in the early 90s.

0:32.7

He was a prominent lawyer and academic, and this book of his is weird.

0:39.2

It attempts to explain critical race theory, which in the years since has become a right-wing

0:43.8

expletive, using fiction.

0:47.0

One chapter is about what happens when aliens threaten Earth.

0:51.2

But throughout, it articulates how racism feels and how American law can prop racism up better than anything else I've ever read.

1:01.7

My copy is filled with these little post-its.

1:04.8

Anyway, the other day, I got to talk to someone who'd had an experience just like mine, plucked a Derek Bell book off the shelf, opened it up, and thought,

1:15.0

this is the good stuff.

1:17.4

Chapter after chapter after chapter, he explained not only how law was positioning itself as a referee,

1:26.8

but how that was a false understanding of the law.

1:30.2

The law actually creates racial interests. The law actually creates races and then determines what

1:36.6

kind of power you have based on this fiction that the law represented. Kimberly Crenshaw is a lawyer,

1:42.7

but before she'd even landed at law school,

1:45.2

she'd found race, racism, and American law. This was Derek Bell's textbook. It blew my mind.

1:52.1

And it also told me, I need to be at Harvard. I need to study with this man. So I go to Harvard to

1:57.8

find the man that wrote that book. Didn't find him there, though.

2:01.9

He had just left, basically because he was upset that the administration wasn't doing more

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