Geopolitics and Empire is joined by Henry Coble, who's a federal prosecutor in Connecticut with over 30 years experience, investigating and prosecuting national security matters, domestic terrorism, violent crimes, narcotics trafficking, and white collar crime.

He's also the author of War on Hate, How to Stop Genocide, Fight Terrorism, and Defend

Freedom, which you can pick up now in the digital format or physical. Welcome to the podcast,

Henry. Thank you so much, Rova. It's an honor to be here. It's great to have you on. And so

your book is very timely, considered what, considering what's happening right now,

and it deals with attempting to stop ideologies of hate, which can lead to terrorism and

genocide and so forth. You know, one interesting thing you, I, I, you mentioned was how often

perpetrators are ordinary people. And that, you know, made me think of this book I have by Milton Mayer. They thought they were free where he interviews, you know, a dozen or so average Germans and how they participated, how they went along with the Nazi regime. And they were just, you know, ordinary people that got swept up in it and

participated in various degrees. And so you also discuss things like how hate campaigns usually

precede violence or genocide. And so, you know, the floor is yours.

Sure. Well, thank you so much, Beauvais. This is, it's an issue that's been on my mind, like I think a lot of your listeners, perhaps, and folks interested in public affairs. I was certainly one of those folks who after 9-11 was curious to answer the question, so-called, why do they hate us?

And other things that I had an interest in the world, the Middle East peace process, so called, and how the Oslo Accords fell apart in a tsunami of terrorism and recrimination, et cetera.

And so these, in my own work, I'm now retired as a prosecutor, I should say.

So nothing I say speaks for the Justice Department, of course.

But I had prosecuted a bunch of white supremacists in Connecticut for illegal weapons and explosives trafficking. And yet again, in that case, when we search their apartments and residents at the time of the arrests at the closed investigation, you could see that their lives were just marinating in this kind of hatred, all the symbols, iconography,

and literature of white supremacy and all the things they hate. It was really a 24-7 obsession for them,

almost like a kind of surrogate religion. And so in the wake of 9-11, especially, and with that

case in mind and the failure of what was hoped in the 90s to be the Middle East peace process,

I started looking and saying, you know, what seems to be reported in a lot of the public media doesn't seem to stack up with what's happening.

And what I mean by that is when it came to genocide, people would say, well, these are the product of ancient hatreds, especially political leaders, including many U.S. presidents of both parties, would say, we can't intervene.

This is ancient hatreds. There's not a lot we can do about it. And yet, when you look at history,

you see that groups of very competitive ethnicities often live alongside each other with very low levels

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