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The Brian Lehrer Show

Henry Kissinger's Huge but Deeply Problematic Legacy

The Brian Lehrer Show

WNYC

Politics, News, News Commentary, Wnyc, Radio, Npr, Arts, New, Lerer, Media, Bryan, Nyc, Daily News, York, Public

4.61.5K Ratings

🗓️ 30 November 2023

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

Henry Kissinger has died at 100 years old. Fred Kaplan, Slate's War Stories columnist and the author of many books, including The Bomb: Presidents, Generals, and the Secret History of Nuclear War (Simon & Schuster, 2020), examines the diplomat's massive impact on U.S. foreign policy, and addresses his huge failures and many critics, who see him as an immoral war criminal.

Transcript

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0:00.0

It's the Brian Larra Show on WNYC.

0:12.6

Good morning again everyone.

0:14.0

So as you've been hearing in the news today,

0:15.7

former Secretary of State and National Security

0:18.4

Advisor Henry Kissinger died yesterday

0:21.1

at the age of 100.

0:23.0

The Obits have been running along a spectrum mostly of harsh, too harsher,

0:28.0

too harshest.

0:29.0

Maybe the harshest headline is in Rolling Stone, which says Henry Kissinger war criminal finally dies.

0:36.5

Go Google Kissinger orbits for some samples of being willing to speak ill about the dead and

0:41.9

right away.

0:43.0

One headline somewhere on that spectrum is from an article that Slates military and foreign

0:47.7

affairs columnist Fred Kaplan wrote back in May when Kissinger had his hundredth birthday. That headline read Henry Kissinger's bloody legacy.

0:57.0

Fred Kaplan joins us now, besides writing for Slate, he is author of books including his latest, The Bomb, Presidents, Generals, and The Secret History of Nuclear

1:06.7

War. Another Nuclear Weapons book from the 1980s called The Wizards of Armageddon, and one that Fred wrote in 2008 called Dager. called Daydreamed

1:14.9

Dream Believers how a few grand ideas wrecked American power.

1:19.9

We'll see if Henry Kissinger came up with any of those ideas.

1:24.4

And we'll talk about Fred's 100th birthday article,

1:27.0

which again was called Henry Kissinger's Bloody Legacy.

1:30.5

Fred, thanks for coming on.

1:31.6

As always, welcome back to WNYC.

1:34.0

Oh, good to be here as always.

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