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This is the political scene, a weekly conversation with New Yorker writers and editors about politics.

It's Wednesday, August 14th. I'm

Amy Davidson in this week for Dorothy Wicenton. Last Friday at a White House press conference,

President Obama proposed some slight changes to the National Security Agency's surveillance programs.

He also tried to reassure the public. The question is, how do I make

the American people more comfortable? If I tell Michelle that I did the dishes, now granted,

in the White House I don't do the dishes that much, But back in the day, and she's a little skeptical.

Well, I'd like her to trust me, but maybe I need to bring her back and show her the dishes

and not just have her take my word for it.

To talk about the NSA controversy, I'm joined by Hendrik Hertzberg and John Cassidy.

Rick, does President Obama need to show us the dishes? And is he right to assume that this is

mostly just a matter of showing them, of just making people will see it, they'll be more

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