And the goal at the end of our day isn't that a parent gets it right and learns and

memorizes the script.

It's that they learn to evaluate what's going on based on whether the kid is doing what

they want them to, which is, you know, that just makes any wonderful script be nothing

more than a trick or technique to behavior manage or control.

And not interested in that.

We're interested in parents whose primary objective is to deliver the gospel of grace

and truth to their kids by way of the messages they're attentive to when they interact

with their kids, especially in challenges.

So there's no, like, when we do these role plays, you may want to say the very thing that

you just said.

Like, well, what if my kid says the opposite thing?

And it's like, well, then, OK, let's play that.

And I mean, our goal isn't to get the kid not to say that.

That's what we tend to think the goal is.

But our goal is to learn to respond to whatever they say with some grace.

And if we blow it, then to know it and know what to do then.

You're listening to episode 80 of the God Center Mom podcast.

And this is part one of my interview with Jim and Lynn Jackson of connectedfamilies.org.

And I invited them on because I just really loved everything they were writing about.

And this desire I have to connect with my boys a little better.

They have these four actions, four messages.

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